''Israel plotted Ahmadinejad killing'

too bad they didn't

Ohh man that would have been one of the greatest things to happen. Die Tyrant

If I were Israel and you had a neighbor like Iranian leader it wouldn't be a bad idea, but he'll get his in the end.

If it is true, then you'll get those who think that it is wrong for Israel to protect itself. They are surrounded by people who hate them because they aren't a muslim nation but a JEwish/christian nation yet they give everyone the same rights.

But I wonder if this is true.

I'm wondering the same thing. Either it's true or it could be a political move to try to "unite" the Iranian people under Ahmadenijad.

I don't believe this, I think this another ploy from Iran to trey to make Israel look like the aggressor.

I do believe that Iran and the world would be a much better place withought this man and people like him.

too bad they didn't

It would've been a definite plus-- but it might not have made as much difference as people might think. Some of the other Iranian leaders are pretty bad as well.

In fact, his opponent in the election was no angel: Mousavi, Celebrated in Iranian Protests, Was the Butcher of Beirut

This is a typical half-truth from a dictator. Egypt and Saudi Arabia have quietly given permission for Israel to fly through their air space on a mission to knock out the Iranian nuclear program. That has been widely reported. It might also be true that Israel might make a surgical strike to hit the dictator if the chance arose.

dsanthony

Egypt and Saudi Arabia have quietly given permission for Israel to fly through their air space on a mission to knock out the Iranian nuclear program.

You may want to read this:

Israel denies Saudis gave IDF airspace clearance for Iran strike

The Prime Minister's office issued a statement in response Sunday morning, saying that "the Sunday Times report is fundamentally false and completely baseless."

http ://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1097882.html

Denying a military operation is standard for any government. That proves nothing. It also disproves nothing. Whether or not the ok for the attack was given by the saudis and egyptians, iran is aware of the reports and that likely informed the prez's statement.

Denying a military operation is standard for any government. That proves nothing. It also disproves nothing. Whether or not the ok for the attack was given by the saudis and egyptians, iran is aware of the reports and that likely informed the prez's statement.

What?

Egypt and Saudi Arabia have quietly given permission for Israel to fly through their air space on a mission to knock out the Iranian nuclear program

You make that statement as though it is fact, it's not.

How did we get the idea that the best way to deal with Iran is to repeat Iraq.

If I'm Iran, I would have a entire truck load of "hurt" waiting for any country that attacks me, 911 would look like a Sunday at the park. There would be nothing, and I mean nothing off the table.

They have had a very long time to plan for an attack and if you guys think Israel is going to conduct a surgical strike and fly back to Tel Aviv without any retaliatory strike you're crazy.

I would have attacks planned and ready to go...attacking Iran is madness.

To think this won't ignite the region and may broaden into a regional conflict AND will do nothing (zero, zip) to halt their march toward nuclear weapons...if anything it will accelerate their program.

There is nothing above ground that is critical to their nuclear program, they have gone very deep. Short of low yield earth-penetrating weapons, its out of reach.

even if an earth penetrating missile were somehow able to drill hundreds of feet into the ground and then detonate, the explosion would likely shower the surrounding region with highly radioactive dust and gas.

http ://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/new_nuclear_weapons/loyieldearthpenwpnrpt.html

The fallout from such weapons will kill more civilians than do damage their program.

This is an insane idea cooked up by John Bolton and his bonehead Israeli counterparts. This idea has been bounced around so much people actually believe it's possible!

How did we get the idea that the best way to deal with Iran is to repeat Iraq.

They are not talking about an invasion. They are talking about a strategic air strike. Similar to the one they used on Syria and like they did on Iraq in the late eighties.

Vet,

I'm not talking about the invasion either, I'm talking about the punitive strikes in the 90s that ended with the ultimate invasion. We had inspectors on the ground for much of the decade and we still could not get the intel correct.

We have little if any HUMINT on the ground in Iran, we have alienated most of those allies that do and we have no idea if they actually have a nuclear capability or not. What commander in his right mind would attack now? It is truly an insane proposition to even consider a strike.

Syria is completely different, they did not have YEARS of warning.

    If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear 
    the result of a hundred battles.  If you know yourself but 
    not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer 
    a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will
    succumb in every battle. Sun Tsu

G2 is incomplete Vet...we do not know this enemy. Before I'd order a pre-emptive strike, I need to know for sure there nuclear status.

BTW, everyone is forgetting the 800 pound monster named Russia, they may not have the capability that they once had but they showed last year what can happen if they decide to play.

The Saudis may have (or not) given their blessing, but the Russians will get a vote, too!

we do not know this enemy.

It isn't us (as in the USA). It is Isreal and they do not always share intelligence with us.

Rod, I couldn't agree less. If we have an unclear picture of iran's nuclear progress, it is because they, like iraq, are not fully cooperating with un inspectors. Cooperating with nuclear inspectors is their responsiblity. If they fail to do so, they bear the burden for any unnecessary military action, not the us or israel or any other nation.

I'm guessing that you also complain when criminal suspects in the us are taken down violently, or given a taser shot. The law says they have to comply with lawful orders of police, and if they refuse, they are responsible for any lawful actions taken by the police to force them to comply.

Same principle.

no....it's us

None of our allies are going to conduct strike without our blessing, we troops on both sides and the spillover may ignite a Iranian response into Iraq or Afghanistan.

Plus, we have tactical control of the airspace.

Our relations with Isreal is currently strained. They have acted without us in the past and nothing stops them from doing it in the future.

Even the Jerusalem Post reported that Isreal is considering sanctions on the USA.

The sites are dispersed around the country — some in the open, some cloaked in the guise of conventional factories, some buried deep underground.

A Pentagon official says that among the known sites there are 1,500 different "aim points," which means the campaign could well require the involvement of almost every type of aircraft in the U.S. arsenal: Stealth bombers and fighters, B-1s and B-2s, as well as F-15s and F-16s operating from land and F-18s from aircraft carriers.

http ://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1535817,00.html

This is not going to be 4 or 5 flghts of Vipers...

U.S. officials believe that a campaign of several days, involving hundreds or even thousands of sorties, could set back Iran's nuclear program by two to three years

http ://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1535817,00.html

2-3 years, we going to risk the lives of our warriors for 2-3 years worth of...comfort.

We can delude ourselves into believing that a couple of years will make a difference, but we are dealing with an enemy that passes down insults to the family honor for hundreds of years and numerous generations. Do you really think 2, 3, 5 years is going to mean anything?

But it is also likely that the U.S. could carry out a massive attack and still leave Iran with some part of its nuclear program intact. It's possible that U.S. warplanes could destroy every known nuclear site — while Tehran's nuclear wizards, operating at other, undiscovered sites even deeper underground, continued their work. "We don't know where it all is," said a White House official, "so we can't get it all."

http ://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1535817,00.html

If we have an unclear picture of iran's nuclear progress, it is because they, like iraq, are not fully cooperating with un inspectors

If I'm CentCom I couldn't care less about the IAEA or UN inspectors. If inspections were bearing fruit, then there would be no need for strike planning.

The question is how do we destroy everything and if we can't then what's the use.

Let's say BDA tells us that we killed 1400 of the 1500 sites, that's a 93% kill rate, now of the 100 sites left 50 are buried too deep to get to without LYEP weapons.

Can they construct a weapon from the remnants of the remaining 50 sites? If the answer is yes, what the hell did we just do. If the answer is no, then how long before they begin to rebuild...2,3,5 years and then we do it all over again.

Every 2-5 years we bomb Iran? WFT, what will that do to the world?

Vet,

Like I said, we have operational control of the airspace, and it's doubtful that the Israelis could conduct an operation this large without US support. If nothing else they will need gas, gonna have to use our tankers at a minimum.

I'm guessing that you also complain when criminal suspects in the us are taken down violently, or given a taser shot. The law says they have to comply with lawful orders of police, and if they refuse, they are responsible for any lawful actions taken by the police to force them to comply.

Really, DS, that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. We are talking about killing thousands of Iranians and risking the lives of our men and women or those of an ally.

My views on crime have very little in common with ordering an attack on another nation using the most destructive weapons mankind has ever created...don't you think?

We are talking changing the face of the region and all that goes with it. Some view this simply as "go over, drop a few bombs and come home."

We've already attacked 2 countries in the region, how long before this becomes a pattern?

At some point they'll get sick tired of being bombed and say "what the hell, if they are going to bomb us anyway, what do we have to lose."

19 guys with box cutters...never forget how easy that was!

let's not attack hiter.. we might make him mad.

I don't really care about all the little cute saying, in the grand scheme of things it's just noise.

What matters is how do we, as a nation, put an end to all the senseless destruction and death. True peace will not come at the end of an M16 or off the wings of a F16.

that is not a cute saying, it is the crux of your position. If we stand up to terrorists and dictators we'll make them mad. That position has been proven false, and dangerous, for centuries. Our enemies in the Middle east aren't interested in your puppy dog tales of peace. If you're confused, I can find several videos of them beheading people to help persuade you. america put itself in danger when they placed someone who shares your naivete in charge of its safety and survival.

amature hour

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I don't think that Ahmandinejad is as worried about being killed by Israel as he is about being killed by one of his own Iranian citizens. Those folks are some kind of pissed-off at this idiot.

Reviewing Krishna's seed on Mousavi, it would be like going from the frying pan into the fire. One admits the holocaust, then commits a bloodbath in Lebanon. The other, he denies the holocaust and commits a bloodbath in Iraq. These 'leaders' get others to do their dirty work, and use any means at their disposal to get it done. Whether its paying families directly for suicide bombers, training terrorists and sending them to targets, or just plain arming murderers and thugs, they are very dangerous.

Both are poisonous so far as it looks. Why would Israel want to assassinate this Ahmandinejad when the electoral process in Iran is already voiding his presidential term. Does Israel want to murder him off? I don't think so. If that were the case, they would have murdered Sadam. His supporter will continue to act like a Hitler, and it seems like the Iranian body politik will eventually have to push them both out of power.

Iran has the material for a nuke, N. Korea already has a couple and a rocket delivery system. This bodes poorly for us freedom loving, scantly religious, Americans who want to play our Wii, ipods, and computer games while driving our Hummers. If we, or any of our allies get nuked, the question will not be are we capable of making a retaliatory strike, but do we have the nuts to do it.

ANNA-NYC, you recall that Israeli leader Yitzak Rabin was assasinated.......and it wasn't the Iranians who did it, it was one of his own people. A Zionist nut who didn't want peace with the Arabs. Like the US, Israel's greatest enemies are the right-wing, Zionist nutjobs of Israel, not Iran or Islam. Of course only the ignorant are blind to this fact, thanks to FOX News, and other right-wing media spin shops.

The cowardly Zionist warmongerers will not stop until they have the entire world embroiled in another pointless war.

Anna-NYC

Please forgive me , Your seeds are always well thought out and to the point but I always seem to forget to vote , I wish I had for everything that I have read seeded By You. I will get it right one of these days. peace

Julian ,Damn Zionist causing all that trouble in Pakistan, India ,Indonesia,China ,Russia ,France, Africa and just about anywhere else on earth where mindless violence is taking place. Oh my bad thats not the Zionist its the ......... .

The cowardly Zionist warmongerers will not stop until they have the entire world embroiled in another pointless war.

Julian

We Zionists control the world.

And people like you are powerless.

How does it feel?

(You know you can't change it...you are, in the end...helpless!

Heh :)

P.S. Have a nice day..oh powerless one!

zionists like me make me proud!

I just recently found out I was a zionist and boy am i GLAD. I belong with the cool kids :)

I gave up Zionism for Lent. ;-o

Yeau I love you too, but take a look at the real world around. you.